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May 30, 2008
More Talk About Faith and My Complete Lack of It.

Someone very close to me recently told me that God spoke to her and told her that he wants to heal me.

She was afraid to tell me for fear that I'd laugh at her. Perhaps it's because she knows that I do not do not have faith and if one does not have faith, how in the hell is one to believe that God told someone he wants to heal me?

I have thought about it ever since. What if God really did speak to her and what if he really does want to heal me? What if this is the part where I say "Okay, God. I believe you want to heal me and I have faith that you will?"

But that's crazy, right? That's crazy to say "I believe God spoke to someone about ME because he wants to heal ME?"

So, my question to you is this.

If someone told you that God spoke to them about you, would you believe it? Or would you laugh at them? Do you believe God truly speaks to people?

I would love to hear your answers.

Posted by Y at May 30, 2008 10:03 AM
Comments

oh my gosh! I get to be first! It's kinda like winning the lottery or something :) Watch, someone is commenting at the same time as me and I'll be bumped to like 8. But know that at this moment comments are 0!

I don't think I'd laugh at loud, but I might internally guffaw. I do think that God speaks to people, but I tend to think that God has lots more important things to deal with, geez, all those poor people in Ghana. But then look at Sara in the bible, God was thinking about her infertility constantly.
So yes, I do, and I think that we should be open to let God work in us and through others.
Hows that for number 1?

Posted by: chanelireli at May 30, 2008 11:35 AM

I am a lurker around these parts but I had to jump in here. I was raised Pentecostal and was even married to a pentecostal pastor. Why wouldn't god just tell YOU? C'mon, he's god. Surely he could make you listen if he wanted to. So, why doesn't he just heal you instead of conversing with someone else about it? Also, why does he keep sending messages in tongues when he knows we all speak english? I wouldn't say I don't believe in god but certainly not in the way I was raised to.

Posted by: Alannah at May 30, 2008 11:43 AM

I believe that God does speak to people - not in the Charleton Heston on a mountain with a burning bush kind of speaking - but more as a whispering in the mind. I also believe that if you have the faith to be healed, true faith, then it is possible if it comes from the right person with the right authority.

Some random person you are acquainted with probably doesn't have the ability to heal you - but maybe her purpose was just to get you thinking about the blessings of faith healing. Who are we to question the mysterious way in which God works?

Good luck to you and continue searching your soul and heart for the faith I know is inside you some place.

Posted by: Melissa at May 30, 2008 11:44 AM

I was deaf in one ear as a child and was healed at a service and I'm not trying to plug my web site but I just wrote of an instance just this week where I believe God healed me. http://www.sabennett.com/wp/?p=2571

Posted by: Amy at May 30, 2008 11:51 AM

I don't believe in God myself so I guess I don't believe that he speaks to people. Also, and I don't want to sound disrespectful to your friend here but if God was going to tell anyone that he was going to heal you then why wouldn't he tell you? Wouldn't you be the person most in need of that information?

Posted by: Jen at May 30, 2008 11:52 AM

Yes, I believe he definitely does speak to people. He has spoken to me many times. I don't mean literal speaking, like I hear an actual voice or something, even though that's possible too! It can be in a strong feeling, certain events, etc. Maybe this can help: http://www.gotquestions.org/God-still-speak.html


God wants to heal all of us. I would accept the offer :)

Posted by: becca at May 30, 2008 11:53 AM

I do believe that He could have told her that. I know many people that hear God very clearly. Investigate for yourself. Ask her more questions. Even pray about it. God hears ALL prayers-he may not answer right away, or in the way you think he should, but he hears all requests, even of non-believers. All it takes is talking to Him-just like you might talk to yourself while doing housework, for example. On that note you can even ask Him to put the right people in your path that would be able to answer those questions in 'language' that you understand. Like Melissa said, God works in mysterious ways and can speak to you and your heart through many avenues.

Bless you in this journey.

Posted by: Headless Mom at May 30, 2008 11:55 AM

I do not believe in God. I sometimes wish I did, but I don't. So, no, I don't believe that God spoke to your friend.

Posted by: RockyCat at May 30, 2008 11:59 AM

Yep. I'd believe it. I mean, I DO believe it. And the fact that you're thinking so much about it; can't get it off your mind, etc tells me that you do, too :)

Posted by: elise at May 30, 2008 12:01 PM

I'd listen to what they have to say and go from there. In my experience if God is speaking to you either directly or indirectly there will be some parallels in what the person says and what you've been feeling (not like a psychic experience or anything.lol). It would reinforce an idea that's been there. It doesn't mean it's going to be what you want to hear either. It might just be a nudge( or kick) to give some insight.

Posted by: Sasha at May 30, 2008 12:02 PM

I wanted to add something after reading some comments above.. Maybe he already tried speaking directly to you but it was missed, it happens all the time. Sometimes I'm really just not paying attention like I should be or too "busy" and I take my eyes off of him to later realize that wow.. this whole time he was trying to help me and I was ignoring him. So, he used a friend of yours to get the message across, it certainly has you thinking about it right? That's one step closer to him than you were before.

Posted by: becca at May 30, 2008 12:03 PM

You all don't know how helpful your thoughts are. Thank you.

Posted by: Y at May 30, 2008 12:04 PM

I think God speaks to people in different ways, like some of the others have said here. Maybe it's a dream, maybe it's thru something someone else says, maybe it's a sign on a side of the road, maybe it's a photograph, or a picture your child drew...I dunno. But God is all around. You just have to open your eyes. And keep praying.

Posted by: Marriage-101 at May 30, 2008 12:05 PM

It depends on the person, to be quite frank.

If one of my very good friends told me, and they were someone that I trusted and knew, and who weren't asking me to give them money in order to get the healing done, then yes. I'd be inclined to believe them.

My mother once believed a "healer" had the power to heal my sister of her diabetes when we were about 11, I think it was. This woman told my mother not to give my sister her insulin, or else that would prove to God that she didn't have faith.

Thankfully, my mother couldn't follow those specifications, and she felt soo, so guilty for not following through on the "healers" request! She thought she was showing she didn't have faith. My poor mother...she had the weight of the world on her shoulders, I swear. Anyway, it was this Nora Lam chick, and while I'm sure she was very nice, I also think it's not cool to guilt people into faith.

So as long as you don't feel like you're being taken in any way, I say let it happen! I wish God would tell someone about his plans to make me skinny, dammit...

Posted by: Faith at May 30, 2008 12:20 PM

I would totally ask the Internet!

For Reals.

Because it would eat at me the same as you because my faith is questionable at best and I'd always wonder if God really does talk to people about ME.

I don't know what to tell you maybe the believers can enlighten me as well.

Posted by: Kandace at May 30, 2008 12:24 PM

I do believe that God speaks to people and that He can and has healed many. I have had many times in my life when I think God directed my paths and used me to help others.

However, I also believe that there are people that use religion and God to manipulate people and make them feel guilty. If someone said to me "God spoke to me and he wants to heal you, but you aren't humble or you don't have enough faith or you aren't worthy or..." , I would have serious doubts as to whether that was from God.

If I knew someone in need and felt they could be helped by receiving a blessing, I would simply ask them if they were willing to receive a blessing and I would coordinate it for them. After that, it's between them and God. I would not make any assumptions on the type of faith they have, etc. if they were not healed.

I do not believe that we get sick or get a disease because we have not been faithful, but I do believe that we can be given opportunities to grow in faith through our ordeals.

Posted by: Dawn at May 30, 2008 12:25 PM

Well, here is my stance on the whole "God spoke to me" thing. I don't believe God speaks to people at all. I truly believe in God and all, but I just don't think he works that way. I am also not of the christian faith either, so that may have something to do with it.

Posted by: Jenny at May 30, 2008 12:26 PM

This is a brain buster, Y.

I am unclear in my faith, and unsure whether I believe in God. If I were confronted with a burning bush on a mountain, I would speed right off to the ER to get checked for a stroke rather than thinking it was a sign from God.

However, I'm not arrogant enough to think I know it all. If you asked me after experiencing childbirth for the first time whether I believed, I would have told you I believed in something. But that's about as close to God as I've ever felt, and you know, I was kind of drugged up.

I've never trusted any religion which says you must suffer and repent and thus be humbled and transformed and welcomed into the fold. I can understand with your background how difficult it must be for you to hear, "Maybe God spoke to you and you couldn't hear because of your lack of faith." I just don't think all of the sad, bad things in the world are put here as some sort of cosmic pop-quiz, rigged for us to fail. I think people are the answer, good and bad. But I know that doesn't help your thyroid.

Helpful, aren't I?

Posted by: Velma at May 30, 2008 12:30 PM

I believe that God has my unlisted number. I also believe that if God can help two people in one stroke, why not? So I guess my answer to your questions is this:

If someone told me God spoke to them, I would believe that conversation had meaning... To the person with whom God spoke.

Just because the conversation was about me would not mean it had any meaning to me. Perhaps it was a test of the other person's faith, to see if they would tell me, and my name only came up as a minor character in someone else's God play.

On the other hand, if someone told me God had spoken to them, and I had a *zing!* feeling right through my chest, and I knew that *zing!* was God calling me, using that person as his personal phone? I would not deny that, even if it seemed crazy when I said it out loud. I think you already know iif this happened, just as surely as you know if it didn't.

That doesn't mean I would close my eyes and never ask another question or that I would follow anything this person said, but it does mean I would follow the zing to see where it took me.

Maybe you sent out a sonar question to the Universe: God are you there? And you are getting a response blip back on your screen. Keep asking and I imagine the blips will get stronger. If you are not ready to make a connection with this person but fear missing the boat, I'm betting God will send someone else.

Good luck!

Posted by: anne nahm at May 30, 2008 12:30 PM

That is a huge question, my friend.

I think God speaks to everybody. You included. The problem is, we often get to busy to be able to hear His still, small voice.

:)

Posted by: Angella at May 30, 2008 12:33 PM

Is this person trying to tell you that God wants to heal you but can't because of your disbelief and/or distance from the church? If so, I would think this person is selfishly using your illness and misery as a way to get you to do what they feel you should. I can't see "God" being too pleased with that.

Otherwise, I would believe it. Why not? We have no proof that God doesn't exist, or that he doesn't express things to people who are willing to listen.

Instincts, little nudges in a certain direction, maybe just an overwhelming feeling of gratitude or happiness... who's to say these things are the work of "God"? Surely not me.

Maybe your friend was really concerned, and she just needed to know that you've got people/things in all areas pulling for your health to improve. So maybe someone whispered it in her ear.

Anyway, I guess all I'm saying is, no one can say if that's real or not. It seems like 95% percent of people are really quick to assign things as being "all in your head." It might do everyone some good to shrug their shoulders once in awhile and just say "It's possible."

So I vote for go with it.

Posted by: Ashley at May 30, 2008 12:35 PM

I would of course believe them. And yes I do believe that he speaks to people. It makes me sad that you no longer have fatih, and I dont even know you other then the blog. However, I know how when times get rough its hard to have faith. I really hope that you will listen to the person who told you this.

Posted by: Rebecca at May 30, 2008 12:35 PM

I am not really a believer...not really a non-believer, either. Not sure what I believe.

But what I am sure of, is that there is something bigger than us, whether it is "God" or jut the forces of "Good." And I do believe that miracles can happen, though I would rather call them something else...what I haven't figured out yet, ha!

Positive thinking can do wonderful things, so, what have you got to lose? If it doesn't work, you are no worse off, and if it does, well, maybe even I will rethink my position on God. But, hey, no pressure, right? lol

Posted by: Angel at May 30, 2008 12:45 PM

I'm a believer. 100%

I think the fact that she was afraid to tell you is a sign that she's not joking around.

Our God is a loving God. Satan comes to kill, steal, and destroy. Don't let him steal your joy. Your life. Your time.

Don't let the bad experiences you've had with people from the church get in the way of you having a relationship with the one who matters.

And just think, if you do show faith and you are healed, what an amazing testimony that will be to others.

Mostly I just want you to be healed. And it never hurts to turn to God.

Posted by: Carly at May 30, 2008 12:58 PM

I'm in the the 'it depends on the person' camp.

If someone very earnestly - without some crazy vibe - told me that I'd have to ponder it. I'm sure she believes it.

Is that enough?

Then again, I've got a crappy chronic health problems too and I don't hold out for a miracle anymore. I'm just thankful when I'm feeling good and not in pain.

(My religious upbringing says: Pray about it. Hard to do if you are agnostic...)

Take care, Ms. Y. You are a delight, even when you are feeling like crap.

Posted by: Lisa Milton at May 30, 2008 12:59 PM

Huh, this is a tough one. I managed to hang on to my faith though I was raised in a similar environment to you. I've rejected a lot of the things I was taught growing up but for whatever reason I was lucky enough to feel clearly (even when I didn't want to) about the basics (there is a God, He loves me, He's in control). It's something I've been trying to write about on my own blog but it's hard to work through.

Having said that, I was taught growing up that if you're not healed it's because you don't have enough faith, etc. I find this kind of funny since there were plenty of fine peoples in the Bible who weren't healed. Hey, remember Paul? Wrote most of the NT, had that whole 'road to Damascus' thing? And also spent a fair amount of time talking about his 'thorn in the flesh' i.e. mysterious physical disability or illness.

So I tend to suspect people who are super into the whole 'healing' thing but I also do believe that God is perfectly capable of healing people and that He does, all the time. I know you've been searching lately, maybe this is God trying to get your attention or maybe your friend is mistaken, either way I don't think you should stop searching and asking. Just be open.

p.s. It would be beyond great if you were healed. Ive been following your story, even though I mostly lurk, and praying for you as have (obviously) lots of other people. No matter what, you must know that you are loved, and that is the best place to start looking for God.

Posted by: jess at May 30, 2008 1:00 PM

I think my conscience and instinct are both God "talking to me." But not actually "talking." That's strange.

I once got hired as a teacher at a Christian school (I was desperate for a job) because "Jesus told (the principal) that I was the right candidate for the job." My mom said she was pretty sure Jesus was up there laughing his head off. I was SO not the right candidate! I would have had to lead choir (HA!) and teach bible study (double HA!). He was all "Do you KNOW Jesus?" My husband said I should have answered "Yea, we had him over for dinner last week and he fixed our kitchen cabinets. He's one hell of a carpenter." Heh. I am a very spiritual person but I think people get WAY carried away out of fear or whatever. To each his own, I suppose.

Posted by: Much More Than A Mom at May 30, 2008 1:04 PM

Y, He does and He can. That's what I believe, anyway, what I've experienced. Do I believe it always happens? No, of course not. But it can. And really, what is there to lose in believing that?

And if someone cares enough about you to believe God has spoken to her on your behalf? That kind of care in itself has power, you know?

Posted by: Kyla at May 30, 2008 1:14 PM

I am an agnostic at best, so no I don't think God speaks to people. Usually when people hear voices, they need to up their meds a little. ;)

Posted by: Julie at May 30, 2008 1:18 PM

Frequent reader but I don’t believe I’ve commented here before, this seems like a good time.

I think God speaks to people as much as I think I heard Santa on the roof when I was 5 years old. I don’t mean to sound harsh, yet that is how I feel. I feel the thought and belief of a higher power is comforting to people, it brings them peace and is a treasured aspect to their lives that should be respected (ditto for Santa).

If someone told me that God spoke to them direct about my health, I probably wouldn’t inquire much about the “conversation”. I always fear that my questions and inquires on the subject could offend someone’s beliefs and I never want to do that.

Posted by: Karen at May 30, 2008 1:21 PM

I would believe that they believe God spoke to them and I would take whatever good could come my way from it. When I was diagnosed with breast cancer many people told me they would pray for me and I said, "thank you, I appreciate that." However, I don't believe in a God that would pick and choose who gets better and who doesn't based on prayers but I certainly wasn't going to turn away what someone wished to do for me or deny their faith, if that makes sense.

Posted by: Maggie at May 30, 2008 1:23 PM

I would never laugh. But I don't believe that God speaks to people. I think sometimes people hear what they need or want to hear - and where is the harm in that? I see nothing wrong in something that provides hope.

Posted by: Michelle at May 30, 2008 1:25 PM

Until recently I was a lifelong atheist, so I can see how her claim would sound strange.

Even now, I'd say it's impossible to know when God really speaks to other people. Shoot, it's hard enough to tell when he's speaking to *us* and when it's just us telling ourselves things (or is that just me?). :)

I've been reading up on theology regarding this kind of stuff lately, and I think if you were to ask a great theologian they'd say this: we have no idea if God really spoke to your friend. However, God can use all situations for good. So, in some ways, it doesn't really matter whether he did or didn't say that to your friend. If, in the end, this situation prompts you to turn your heart towards him and make more room for him in your life, to seek to know him better, that's all that matters here. And, really, that's all that matters at all.

Posted by: Jennifer (Et Tu?) at May 30, 2008 1:28 PM

I believe God speaks to us, typically not in actual words/burning bushes, but in feelings, thoughts, etc. As for Him speaking to this woman instead of you, I don't know. I believe that God talks to people about themselves AND about those they have stewardship over. For example, he might talk to you about yourself, your husband, and your kids. If this is a good friend you confide in, maybe she does have stewardship over you in a way. If it's your mom, I'd say she still has a little stewardship, even though you're grown.

Posted by: Katie at May 30, 2008 1:29 PM

it depends on the person. i know a few people who are very involved in their faith and spend lots of time in prayer. if they told me that, i would try to take what i could from it, but i would certainly believe that they believe it.

on the other hand, if it came from some of my friends who aren't quite so ... godly, i would thank them for telling me. and then i'd take it with a grain of salt.

either way, i don't think that you have to believe that God will heal you for Him to heal you. but i also tend to think that it's up to me to find the answers i'm looking for and to follow through with treatment. if i were healed from that, i wouldn't discount that God had a hand in it.

Posted by: maya at May 30, 2008 1:35 PM

I struggle with my faith every day. 'Letting go and letting God' has been a TOUGH thing for me. It is a work in progress, I guess.

But then, I read things like this:
http://girlfromflorida.blogspot.com/2008/05/black.html

I guess I believe that he helps those who are open to it. He isn't going to have you win the lottery, or make your team win every game. But on a much deeper level, I think he gives to those who are open to it, and who seek Him.

*shrugs*

I know that when my life went to shit, and I just threw my arms up in the air and said "Ok, I give!! Please HELP me!!" my life started to turn around. Good things started to happen. And they continue to happen, even now. Crappy stuff still happens, like the AC in my truck let go and was not covered under warranty, but that is just life and has nothing to do with God. And I think too many people expect things of that nature to change. They don't, and won't. But on a spiritual level, A LOT can change...

Posted by: Jen at May 30, 2008 1:37 PM

I wouldn't laugh because I can appreciate the sincerity of someone who would offer that particular sentiment as comfort. I would try to be gracious and just thank the person for thinking of me. However, I do not believe in God and it follows that I don't think a magical entity is going to try to heal me, no matter what someone believes to have heard.

Posted by: Stephanie at May 30, 2008 1:54 PM

I'd say that it absolutely depends on the person.

I have a SIL that is super religious, born again, and she's told a good number of people things that G*d has told her. Which may or may not be true. I would never presume it *isn't* true but if it is, then I'm kind of concerned about the direction G*d wants for her and the world in general. Maybe His translation from Aramic to English is a bit fuzzy? ;) So, if she told me that G*d told her something about me, I'd say thank you and move on politely.

However, there are people in my life who have had things happen to them, people who were not believers before or had fallen away from their faith, or in general are humble and gracious people, and if one of them told me that, I'd believe it in a heartbeat. I know that their motivations are pure, and they are honest, and also not suffering from delusions or hallucinations - so why wouldn't I believe it?

Posted by: kellie at May 30, 2008 1:59 PM

I actually don't believe in God so obviously I don't really believe that God speaks to people but what I do believe in is the power of our own belief systems so if someone were to tell me that, I would take it seriously. Even if its a total crock, I'd take it seriously because THEY believe it and that sort of collective energy simply can not be bad, no matter what your level of faith or belief system.

Posted by: Nicki at May 30, 2008 2:07 PM

Okay, I am going to take a little risk and jump in here. Mostly because I have a personal story. First, let me give full disclosure and say that I am a practicing Christian (Episcopalian), so my bias is to believe that God spoke to your friend. Especially since it was risky for her to tell you that.

Second, I want to relate a story. My Mom has 1/2 of a thyroid, she had a nodule on hers quite a few years ago when I was still a kid. She was tired and had many of the other symptoms of hperthyroidism. She also had trouble breathing.

My grandparents (whom I am convinced have a direct line to God) had a prayer time with her before she went into surgery and prayed for the full restoration of her thyroid and voice. The main concern was that the surgery would affect her voice. She is a long-time musician and singer.

When they opened her neck, the nodule literally fell out of her neck. It wasn't cancerous and she has never needed medication, though they had feared she would.

Today she is church organist and singer. She is convinced that God, using doctors and also supernaturally healed her.

Posted by: Kami Huyse at May 30, 2008 2:08 PM

I believe in God. I believe that God talks to people. I also believe people don't listen or they hear what they want to hear- just like with anyone else who speaks to them.

Posted by: Bethany at May 30, 2008 2:20 PM

Personally, I don't believe it but you know what? Why not have hope? You never know. It may not be faith but I think it can be just as good.

Posted by: Lottifish at May 30, 2008 2:28 PM

I think it depends.

But, in this case, yes--I believe. I think God knew this would really get your attention, so that's why He took this route to get to you.

Posted by: Susan at May 30, 2008 2:44 PM

I know God speaks to us, whether we hear Him or recognize His voice or not. He does!

I also believe that He works through others to bless our lives. It's not completely ridiculous to believe that He can heal you. It just might not be in the way you expect.

Posted by: Laura at May 30, 2008 3:01 PM

I do believe - of course I am also a believer in Marian apparations - not Mejugjore - I think those guys are profiting - but some - of the others are real.

Posted by: Mary Watkins at May 30, 2008 3:05 PM

The saying "God works in mysterious ways" come to mind.

Posted by: Karen at May 30, 2008 3:08 PM

I'm not even Christian and I talk to God every day. Me and the Saints get along quite well. While I don't necessarily believe that God spends his time paying attention to what is going on down here, I do believe there are interventions from time to time.

Posted by: Dani at May 30, 2008 3:09 PM

Do you love your children? Wouldn't you do anything for them? Of course!

So why is it so hard for us to remember we are all children of God and he loves us, perhaps even more than we can ever comprehend?

Posted by: Amy Girl at May 30, 2008 3:22 PM

Well, you asked for comments...Love you page by the way...your kids are gorgeous. I was raised Baptist...you can hit delete now if you want to!!!:))) After being preached to most of my life about God this God that...(I was saved at a fairly early age..due to fear of going to hell) which means I prayed the prayer and asked God to forgive me of my sins and to come into my heart and lead my life. Then I grew up...I then led my life the way I wanted to no church...BUT God was always there with me through all of my rebellious period. I got married...my husband grew up Presbyterian and we were perfect or so we thought till we started pondering kids. God then spoke to me...I felt as if I had started having children before I put God in the center of our lives then it would not fair well. I told my husband this and he just about fell over....what happened to my wife????? We he agreed to visit all churches but not Baptist because you know the preachers they get up to the pulpit and scream and yell and spit and tell you that you are going to burn in Hell. I thought well that's not "really" how I grew up but okay...BUT I'm not going to visit a Presbyterian church...Nanananana.....so we visited every church around and I really felt God pulling me and guiding me but wasn't really praying or anything about this. So we were visited out and an older couple that we knew heard we were trying churches and asked us to go with them. ***it was a Baptist church*** didn't tell him till he saw the sign driving in!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anyway, when we sat down to that sermon...it was the most loving Pastor you could ever meet and almost the first words out of his mouth was I don't care if you are Baptist, Presbyterian, Catholic, etc., I just care if you know Jesus and have Jesus in your heart. We have been going there for 14 years now. My husband along the way realized that he felt he had always known God but was baptized and I rededicated my life to GOD. I get choked up just writing this but it is from my heart and for some reason when I should be getting dinner on the table I'm sitting here typing a comment!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anyway, through those years we have studied and read the Bible had 3 wonderful children and I feel that we are so close as a husband and wife can be because we are God centered. I know this sounds crazy to people that don't even believe God exists but I think that you can talk to him and ask him for a sign...ask him for a BIG sign just be prepared for what you may get. I remember early on when we just getting back into church and my husband would tell me that we shouldn't pray about "the little things" you know bills, friends, family" he thought that God needed to be with the starving people or abused people etc.. Well one day I lost my cell phone and it had been gone about a week and we were about to pay some ridiculous fee to get another and I was going to check mail one night and as I was going to check mail I prayed and said "God can you just please help me with my cell phone I lost it and it is causing some stress in our lives." ********do you want to hear the rest???******** Well I checked mail and guess what was in the mailbox???????????????????????? Now laugh if you want and if you are like my brother he said "so God put your cell phone in the mailbox" I have since pondered on that and YES I believe he did!!! Not literally but that was enough to convince my husband and me that God is BIG...bigger than anyone can imagine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So we have put him to many tests such as that and now we are to the point where we can be still and listen to God and YES HE DOES TALK TO US!!!!! I think you do have to have a personal relationship with GOD and BELIEVE before you can expect any major GOD TALK but he is there and he wants us all to talk to him. Although it took me years to get where I am...I am thankful for Jesus. As I tell my brother having Jesus doesn't make it all good but it helps make the bad not so bad!!! Anyway, I hope you enjoy my comment...I'll expect to be blocked anyday now::)). BTW, I have had thyroid issues since 2001 and finally had mine removed in 2005 and have never felt better!!!! TT

Posted by: TT at May 30, 2008 3:23 PM

I do think that God speaks to people through others. But, I also believe that there are crack-pots out there who want to give unsolicited advice under the guise of "God". Know what I mean?

If you truly trust this person on a personal level, then I would listen to what he/she has to say. You'll know deep in your heart whether or not the person is being used by God or just ACTING like God.

Posted by: Heather at May 30, 2008 3:24 PM

wow, big questions.
personally, i believe in god as described by the bible. i have to think that if god can create this complex beautiful world with all of the various creatures and systems working perfectly together, then he can do anything and i won't be able to understand it all. basically, nothing is impossible and if your friend feels as though god "spoke" to her, then he did. i have no idea how god spoke to her, but i agree with the other commenters that it usually isn't in an audible voice. in my personal experiences, it's been something more like a thought or feeling flashing through someone's mind while he/she was praying or something like that. it's definitely worth asking her to tell you more about it.

recently, i have hit somewhat of a valley in my faith and asked god (again) to help me trust in him. you don't have to do it all alone and if you ask for help, he will help you (with your faith).
and, although i wish it worked differently, i know that god does not promise to heal everyone physically who goes to him. i will never understand why some people suffer and others experience healing, but then again, i am only human.
my apologies if this is jumbled, my 2 1/2 year old is making it almost impossible for me to complete a thought.

Posted by: tara at May 30, 2008 3:31 PM

As a child I was sexually abused by three different men on various occasions, my father was an alcoholic wife beater who cheated on mom.. The one thing I have never been without is God. My parents didn't take us to church nor did I know how to pray, and without having direct spiritual influence I know that God loved me... It would be easy for me today to blame everyone including God for my nightmare of a childhood and yet I feel blessed.
I can't say that God spoke to your friend, but I can say that you should never doubt the great, mysterious power of faith.
Y, you are a beautiful person who deserves the very best in life. I will pray to GOD that you may be strong to deal with what life may bring. NOT what the condition of your health but for peace of mind to not doubt simple miracles.
>>> back to lurking

Posted by: Mrs. D at May 30, 2008 3:32 PM

I've always had faith in God, but have not gone to church since childhood (I'm 37). I never believed people who said God or the Holy Spirit speaks to them until last winter. I had gotten a grocery store gift card as a Christmas gift and a few weeks later, was cooking dinner and realized I was out of mushroom soup. I dashed to the store to get the soup and paid for it on with my gift card. I was totally focused on dinner and that was the only thing on my mind. On my way back out to the parking lot, I heard a voice very clearly say, "what would you do with that gift card if you saw a homeless person?" I dismissed the thought because I live in a middle Amercian college town. I rarely, if ever, see homeless persons. Well, on the way out of the parking lot guess who I saw? Yes, a homeless woman dressed in tattered rags standing on the corner. Of course I gave her the gift card. I will never again doubt someone who says God speaks to them, and I'm definitely trying to listen harder for when He speaks to me.

Posted by: Marcia at May 30, 2008 3:54 PM

a man told me that God said we were gonna get married.
nope.
Many people told me that God was gonna heal my son and he would not die.
nope.

OK, I could go on, but I may start to sound bitter.
God told me, I feel, very clearly that I was going to marry Jeff, a man that I... wasn't seeing in THAT way at all! And we were in separate countries and had only spent time together a few times... I decided to not say anything to Jeff about this, but we did fall hopelessly in love (mostly through tons of letters and over the phone and we were married within 18 months of me getting that impression that God was saying I was gonna marry him...

Did God talk to that lady about you?
Maybe... maybe not...

not much help am i?

xx

Posted by: christine Gill at May 30, 2008 4:03 PM

Roman Catholic here and I do believe God speaks to some people. Plus I love me some Saints and He was always talking to them. Maybe He talks to all people and we just aren't listening.

I just wonder "how" your friend is suppose to heal you? I'd honestly be skeptical if it involved dragging you to elaborate services (or money!) but if she just wants to pray for you, what do you have to lose really? If it works, you are healed! If it doesn't work, you aren't any worse off. Well maybe your friend might feel a bit silly but like another poster said, anything is possible.

Posted by: Katie at May 30, 2008 4:14 PM

I believe God can and does speak to people. Do you have to be a believer and person of faith for him to heal you. No, I don't think so. Do people sometimes mistake other "noise" in their life for God's voice? I think so, but this does not mean God cannot speak.

Whatever the truth of the matter, I'm praying that he does heal you!

Posted by: bex at May 30, 2008 4:28 PM

I'm a Christian, but I believe God speaks to us through His word, the Bible. I believe in the Holy Spirit, and I believe the Spirit guides us. But I had a very close friend die of cancer, and before she died she had a bunch of Christians telling her that God told them she would be healed. And she believed it fully. Guess whose fault it was when she didn't get well? Hers, for her lack of faith. Um, no. Theirs for trying to speak for God by telling a very sick woman exactly what she so desperately wanted to hear. I am VERY wary of someone claiming to speak God's words. If I want to know God's words I read the bible. God is more concerned with the health of one's soul than the health of their body. For one's soul to be healthy I believe one needs to acknowledge they have sinned and seek God's mercy and He will forgive and you will be His. That doesn't mean you will be healthy or things will go well, but it means you will have peace regardless. He wants us to depend on Him because He knows what is best for us...the same way we want our children to depend on us because we know and desire what is best for them even though they often can't see that or understand it.

Posted by: Denise at May 30, 2008 4:42 PM

I'm a weirdo (okay, when am I not?) and I wasn't raised Christian or anything (my parents are stinky hippies. I am not. Thankfully), but I get a warm fuzzy anytime anyone says they'll pray for me. It doesn't matter why, but I always feel that way.

And I guess I do believe that God speaks to people. It's a nice comfort for me.

Posted by: Becky at May 30, 2008 5:24 PM

PS,

I have been thinking about your post today, and I wanted to tell you I completely sympathize with the idea of not having faith. There is this terrific story (Mark 9:14-29) where a man is pleading with Jesus himself (holla, big J!) to heal his son. And the man says, '...help us if you can'.

And Jesus is all, "What do you mean, 'if I can'?" (v.23).

And if that were me, right there, asking for help, and Jesus said that? I would have been so embarrassed. I probably would have lied and said I knew he could do it and not examine my lack of faith. But the father in this story says, "I do believe, but help me overcome my unbelief!" (v. 24)

And when I read that, I was kind of amazed that a person could look in the face of Jesus and still have wobbly faith, and tell Jesus you had wobbly faith, and ask for help. And that Jesus would help them anyway.

And I guess if Jesus has been dealing with the human condition of not knowing if we have faith since biblical times, he's not going to be shocked by your ambivalent feelings about God now.

At least, that is what got me out of the place where I was scared to have any faith at all because mine was so weak and wobbly.

Whew. Hijack. Sorry. Hope this helps.

Posted by: anne nahm at May 30, 2008 5:27 PM

I'm a long time lurker, but had to comment for this. I have no faith either, but I think it would be great if god really did speak to people. I want to believe, but with so much suffering & pain in the world, I just can't.

Posted by: Dianna at May 30, 2008 5:53 PM

I am not a person of faith, but I believe it's possible for a person to be spiritual without being religious, e.g. an athiest can be a spiritual person.

If someone told me that God had spoken to her about me, I wouldn't laugh. I would thank that person for her honesty, accept her prayers as good wishes, a positive "vibe" (for lack of a better word) coming at me from the universe. But I don't think I'd accept the fact that I was meant at that time to embrace God. I can't do that.

Kudos for you for opening the floodgates to what can be such a controversial topic!

Posted by: Assertagirl at May 30, 2008 6:10 PM

I consider myself very religious (I'm Nazarene, but I swear I am not crazy), but I'm pretty skeptical of mystical experience. I've never heard God speaking to me, but I'm trying to remain open to the idea that God might really be speaking to others. It worries me a little that God would be speaking about you to someone else rather than causing you to have some kind of direct revelation, but I suppose it isn't outside the realm of possibility, if you believe in that sort of thing.

In any case, it sounds to me like perhaps you want to believe it might be true. If that's the case, I think you should. What's the worst that could happen? You don't receive a faith healing you wouldn't have had anyway?

Easier said than done, I suppose. I've never asked God to heal me, so I'm a lot of talk.

Posted by: Bethiclaus at May 30, 2008 6:17 PM

I have to be the weirdo: I believe God will speak to us very specifically to tell us what to do so that WE can change things. But I do not believe God interferes in the affairs of the world. It is up to work on it. We can, however, get advice.

Posted by: Suebob at May 30, 2008 6:38 PM

God works in mysterious ways. I've always been told that & I believe it. If it were me I'd get down on my knees & talk to God myself. He's the person that could tell you for sure whether he spoke to someone else about you.

Posted by: Lindy at May 30, 2008 7:46 PM

I think if she had told me straight out like she expected me to believe her, I would be suspicious or mock her, but the fact that she hestitated to tell you makes it more credible in my mind. How you take the information and what you do with it is up to you, but I would find it a comfort that there is someone who worries so much for my health and wellbeing that she prayed about it.

Posted by: Bri at May 30, 2008 8:18 PM

I think one of her other voices speaks to her not god. I don't believe in one so call me heretic.

Posted by: Dawn at May 30, 2008 8:18 PM

Took me a while to read through all that! ;) There's a lot of contributions here and it's really interesting and enlightening to hear what people think. So thanks, all.
Now, here's my two bits.
I believe - most of the time. And even when I can't "feel" God, I still talk to Him - sometimes yell at him. (Hey, He's big enough to handle it :P)
I think God is more forgiving of doubt than we sometimes give him credit for. Jesus didn't turn Thomas away after the resurrection, right? He invited him to feel the holes. I think He understands us, and He knows your heart, Y. So please don't feel bad about doubt, especially when it leads you to ask Him questions.
I think for me, believing the friend would depend on the relationship, or just what I knew of that person and their, um, mental stability ;-) And their intentions motivations and yada yada. Which doesn't help you at all.
I hope God does heal you. Even not knowing you, it sucks to see how much this hurts you. If He doesn't, and I don't think that would be through any fault or anything like that, but I hope if he doesn't, he gives you extra grace to get through it.
I will pray for you. I hope it all works out for the best!

Posted by: Heather at May 30, 2008 8:49 PM

you have a lot of comments and i am way too tired to read through all of them!! i am sorry if this is repetitive.
that said, i have faith and i do believe in God, but i am not a holy rolllin', every sunday church attending christian.
i truly believe God speaks to everyone of us everyday in ways that we don't even pay attention to. maybe this was his way of saying....YOU'RE NOT LISTENING TO ME!! whether your friend really was spoken to, well...you may or may not find out.
also, the word "heal" may be taken too literally. if you are lacking faith then your physical ailments are not the only thing HE may thinks needs healing.
i have always been told that the pain and suffering we feel and experience on earth are not "from God", but a result of all the sin in the world. this is not what He wants for us. this always brings me comfort-especially in the hard times.
i hope you find the answers you are looking for and i think you are great!

Posted by: i lurk a lot at May 30, 2008 9:23 PM

I believe He does speak to people. Yes, you can have great faith that you will be healed and you will be healed. But you can also have great faith and still struggle with being healed. But there can be great comfort in knowing that others are out there, praying and believing for you to be healed. Or maybe this is God's way of reaching out to you, after you've been mislead in religion and don't feel you have faith anymore.

Posted by: Jessica at May 30, 2008 9:30 PM

I'd ask that person to go see a specialist. Not to be spiteful or rude but as an Atheist I think it is ridiculous.

Posted by: Moderndayhermit at May 30, 2008 9:33 PM

Of course atheists think its ridiculous. If something doesnt exist it cant do anything. If I was an atheist I wouldnt believe God could speak to us either.

But there is a God and he does speak to people. The biggest reason man was created in the first place was to commune with God. He walked and talked with Adam in the cool of the day, the Bible says. God wants to talk with man. Thats whats so wonderful about being a Christian. We talk to God and God talks to us. Thats what relationships are all about.

Posted by: mrs darling at May 30, 2008 10:15 PM

I do believe.... now if she said " God told me that you are supposed to give me all your money".... then I would be leery


I think God can talk to us in many ways.... and can use others as messengers.

Hugs

Posted by: Lauri at May 31, 2008 5:36 AM

more on faith-

I am infertile and people would tell me that if I just had ENOUGH faith that i would get pregnant, as if all I had to do was just believe and trust and wham it would happen. I just so happen to have a medical condition that no amount of faith will heal. I wanted it more than anything

so I have a problem with the word healed... but I get that it can have many meanings- emotional, spiritual and not just physical

I would liken that to telling a man with an amputated leg that if he had faith and prayed hard enough his leg would come back.

interesting subject

Posted by: Lauri at May 31, 2008 5:41 AM

just have to respond to the "if you have enough faith" you will be healed. I believe in GOD, I believe that GOD sent his son to save the world. I ask anyone that doesn't to just search for him if you feel like something is missing. I do believe there are people that will never know him and it is not for us to judge them. Anyway, back to my initial point. I think that GOD's healing and our healing are 2 different things. For the post above that said someone died of cancer because she didn't have enough faith to be healed.....if she believed in Jesus SHE WAS HEALED!!!! She was healed in a sense that we can't even comprehend!!! If you are into reading I highly suggest the book "90 Minutes in Heaven". I didn't read this because I doubted God just an amazing account of someone who felt like he experienced Heaven. Yes, there are people that dispute it and make fun of it...but if you believe in GOD you really can feel him as you read this book and know that if you believe in Jesus someday all of this will be over and we will be in a place that we can only TRY to imagine and we still can't come close!! You have opened up a huge topic here and I have to say I admire that people aren't downing people for their beliefs no matter what they believe!! I really think that is because of you and the person you are...you really bring out the nice people in the world with your blogging!!! That says a whole lot if you can bring Christians and antheists together on the same page and there is no evil feelings toward each!!! I would say that if you ever let GOD in be prepared he will have HUGE things for you to do!!! TT

Posted by: TT at May 31, 2008 6:47 AM

I believe that they believe it.

If the persons live also reflects that they are faithful (gentle, humble, kind) then I am a lot more inclined to take it nicely. If the are one of the capital F faithful, proud, righteous etc. I am a lot less likely to take it kindly.

To heal can have many, many meanings, and as to why God would speak to her and not to you? Well, you're not listening right now, are you?

I, like yourself, have been badly hurt by those capital F faithful who are there for the power. I am quite leery of just about anyone claiming to have spoken to or to be speaking for a higher power.

Wether there really is a big G god up there who wants to heal you and spoke to your friend, or if your friend honestly just cares for you very much and wants you to be healed and is projecting this somehow... that's not a question that is going to be answered in this lifetime in any definative way. We would be foolish to think, any of us, that we have the ultimate answer on that.

Posted by: wookie at May 31, 2008 6:54 AM

I've always felt awkward around people who speak about God like he was their high school boyfriend... probably because I am Catholic and we are pretty formal... you know, we use a lot of intermideary folks... Saints, priests etc... we don't really go to God directly.

That being said, I think if someone told me what your friend said to you I'd cry like a baby because it's really really sweet and loving and her faith is the kind of faith I think I'd like to have.

If I weren't such a cynical cow.

Posted by: Kristin at May 31, 2008 7:32 AM

Yes, I believe prayer does work and if He wants to heal you, He will.

But, I also believe that He wants YOU to trust Him to do it.

Faith the size of a mustard seed can move mountains.

Posted by: Daisy at May 31, 2008 9:26 AM

I don't know if God spoke to your friend about healing. And honestly, she may not know for certain. This whole God-communicating-to-finite-us thing is a bit complicated.

But I do strongly, strongly suspect that God is seeking you out (you're having an awful lot of experiences that keep bringing him to the forefront of your life!), that He loves you and longs for you more than you can imagine. Think of your own kids, and magnify that love an infinite amount (which of course our brains, or at least mine! can't quite do that), and you start to get a hint of how very much He longs to show Himself to you -- the real, living God who loves you warts and all, and doesn't condemn you for all the dumbass stuff that you may have been taught He condemned you for (sorry if I overstepped here).

So to me, the point is more than the healing per se -- it's God truly longing to be a part of your life.

My 2 cents! :)

Posted by: Beth at May 31, 2008 9:41 AM

I believe God speaks to me through inspiration. There are two types of impulses described in the Bible, and I have found in my life that this is very true. Temptation is the impulse to sin. But there's anther kind of impulse, to do things or say things that are kind, good & uplifting. I believe these are from God's Holy Spirit. His Inspiration.

In my daily prayers, I consistently remember people who I have not thought of or planned to pray for, and so include them in my prayers. I believe that God is speaking to me in these instances, willing me to look beyond my own concerns to others who are in need and to petition God on their behalf.

My favorite passage at the moment is Matthew 21:21-22 And Jesus answered them, Truly I say to you, if you have faith (a firm relying trust) and do not doubt, you will not only do what has been done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, Be taken up and cast into the sea, it will be done. And whatever you ask for in prayer, having faith and [really] believing, you will receive. Jesus said this to his desciples when they reacted in amazement to his shriveling of the fig tree that did not produce fruit.

It is a great comfort to me when I have doubts : ) God Bless You Y!

Posted by: SarahDragon at May 31, 2008 9:58 AM

I would neither believe her nor laugh. People get to have whatever imaginary friends they want. But if she started trying to proselytize me, as several have, I would likely end the relationship.

Posted by: Dan at May 31, 2008 10:30 AM

Okay, I definitely believe God speaks to people and heals people - I have absolutely no trouble believing that. I always read your posts about your faith and hurt for you. I didn't have an abusive church experience growing up, in fact, my church gave me the only sanity from an abusive home. I just know you're hurting, and that makes me sad for you. I know that the ulitmate benefit from a relationship with Jesus is peace & rest, and I know you want that. Maybe you could just tell God that you don't have faith, and if he's real, you want him to show you - then wait and see what happens. It can't hurt.

Now, while I say that I have no trouble believing God heals and speaks to people, I will also say that when our fourth child was born with cancer, I was FAR from having peace & rest - more like crying and worrying and dry-heaving in the bathroom. And when we checked into the hospital to start chemo on my 7 month old, I was praying for God to get us through it - not heal him. But I guess other people had more faith than I did because the next day we were released from the hospital without having to do chemo, and our very unbelieving doctor actually wrote "prayer" in his charts, because there was no other explanation for what happened. So, I think God can heal us even when we don't have faith. And, then, just to be fair, there have been at least 3 kids that I have prayed constantly for and believed that God would heal them from their cancer, and they died. So, I guess there are no secret formulas that get the results we want every time. But I've learned to trust Him and his plan, whatever that may be, and my prayer is the next time I am faced with an awful circumstance that there will be less dry-heaving and more trusting. I am praying for you that you will start a conversation with God, whatever that looks like.

Posted by: Alayna at May 31, 2008 10:50 AM

I don't have faith that God would talk to someone else about me - why wouldn't he just talk to me? Or just heal me without talking to anyone about it? I think it's a nice thing that your friend believes, and I think the appropriate response is, "Thank you," without laughing. She's obviously concerned about you, and this is her way of helping.

Posted by: Shana at May 31, 2008 1:46 PM

My first response was NO, I don't think God speaks to people, but then again I don't believe in God.

What I can say is that coming from a long line of Christian Scientist (YES, it IS a cult, the one where they don't go to doctors. No! You PRAY your cancer away! SCREW chemotherapy! It's for the unfaithful!), I've learned a lot about POSITIVE THINKING. Whether it's prayer or meditation or simply believing in yourself and that you'll get better, IT WORKS. My grandparent's generation proved that to me and it didn't require any kind of God whatsoever. It's a lot easier to heal if you BELIEVE you will.

Posted by: Amanda at May 31, 2008 2:18 PM

Yes, I do believe that God speaks to people. And i do believe that God cares about you and for you more than you'll know; but I am always careful about other people telling me that God spoke to them about you. If you're really interested and you want to know if what she said is true, then talk to God yourself and ask Him to make it clear to you. Sometimes He'll answer, sometimes he doesn't answer clearly .. sometimes we need to listen more ...

Keep searching...

Posted by: Liza's Eyeview at May 31, 2008 2:59 PM

First of all, I believe your friend believes she heard God tell her you should be healed. My personal faith is evolving a little bit, and I believe that the power of our own minds and spirits is pretty powerful and can go a long way in affecting our physical well-being. Is that God? Some religions believe it is.

I have a friend who is a pretty devout Christian and she entreats everyone she knows, on a pretty regular basis, to read the Bible and come to her belief system (because reading the Bible and coming to a different conclusion than she has isn't acceptable). And I respect her very much for wanting to save my soul ~ it's very sweet. I think every Christian, if they really believe what conventional Christianity preaches, should be as passionate about what they believe to be Gospel.

Your friend who is sharing what is important to her? I think it's just as lovely. If nothing else, accept her love and concern for you as a gift.

There is a lady in our town who presented me with a "power stick" to ward off the "invaders." I thought that was lovely too. She just wanted me to be protected. Against what? I'm not super sure. But she believed in "it" just as much as my Christian friend. Is SHE crazy? I can't speak to that either.

But, what I can speak too? Listen in YOUR own heart. What does YOUR heart say? MY heart? Says that if there is an afterlife and I'm content and joyful to share it with my non-Christian friends, then how could I be more compassionate than the Creator? My head says the Bible is written and edited by men with political agendas, so its wisdom requires careful thought, not simplistic observation.

My soul tells me there are more wonders in the world than I know and to stay open-minded and have faith in my own ability to adapt and grow and HEAL.

Posted by: Margaret at May 31, 2008 2:59 PM

I've read a few of the notes, but had to stop. Some of them made me feel so queasy. I'm with Kristin (few notes above me), uncomfortable with all the gushy "longs for you more than you can imagine!" stuff. Um, LONGS for me, really? How do you know that? someone told y--oh, HE told you?? oh. ok. Skeeve. I don't know, but you sound as if you're in the somewhat damaged by church in the past crowd, and I am most definitely in that crowd, and all I feel is angry and bitter when people who sound like some of your noters tell me most earnestly that Jesus ---whatever. Loves me with a love surpassing every love I could ever imagine with my tiny human brain. Adores me with all the passion of a bridegroom for his bride, only not all human-like, but more pure. yik. One woman, no lie, would sit there and go on and on about "and so I said, oh lord, take me in your arms and just love me, just love me lord, just hold me and stroke me and take this pain away. And he did, he just held me and whispered, oh Tina." Of course, she would also sometimes sit there and go on about "and then the lord said, Tina, don't eat that tuna fish sandwich, and i said, but lord, i want tuna fish, and the lord goes, tina, what did i say? and I said, okay lord, you're the lord, i won't eat the sandwich, and so then I had toast instead." And she would laugh exasperatedly and everyone but me would giggle a bit, that crazy lord, who knows what his reasons are, alls they know is that you by gosh better listen! And I would edge ever further away. have completely skeeved myself out remembering these things.
But although I THINK these things to myself, I do actually outwardly demonstrate respect for whatever other people hold near. I don't laugh, unless it's directed spitefully at me. Like when a church member you couldn't babysit for pulls you aside at church the next time you go and says, "just wanted you to know the lord laid it on my heart to pray for you. So I did." Angry-like, with a little eyebrow lift, like she and the Lord talked about you behind your back and the lord told her some things.
Gosh, I'm still so bitter.

Posted by: Lori at May 31, 2008 3:11 PM

A person without faith is usually only faithful - or attempting to be faithful - when it is convenient.

(And I don't mean that disrespectfully - I do not believe either, but when I'm desperate for something to go right, scared that someone I love is sick, etc. I pray to god and *try* to believe. But once things are ok and I have no serious worries, I tend to doubt the existence of god. I'm not faithful. And it's not because I don't want to believe, it's because I just don't.)

Posted by: Undomestic Diva at May 31, 2008 4:56 PM

Yes, I believe it. I imagine it would be difficult to believe some random person saying something like this. However, it may be Somone upstairs trying to tell you something.
I wouldn't dismiss it, but maybe just think about it and pray about it. Maybe for confirmation of some sort, so you knew it was Him.

Posted by: mandy at May 31, 2008 5:41 PM

I'd respectfully say, "OK. I'm sure if God has a plan for me, it'll work out just fine by itself. If there is a God."

Posted by: Emily at May 31, 2008 5:56 PM

I don't believe in God, so I obviously do not believe that he speaks to anybody. I can understand why people with health crisis or other crisis would want to believe that God was going to help though. If that helps you through it, then heck go for it. I have thyroid issues myself, so I can understand your pain.

Posted by: Ginny at May 31, 2008 8:06 PM

Wow, what a tough question. I've had it sitting as new in my feed reader for a few days thinking about it. I have only been a Christian for about a year. Before that, I didn't think I'd ever believe in God, be religious, or have that kind of faith. It literally happened in an instant, while attending a new members class at church. I had gone in thinking my husband would join, and I'd just learn a little more about the church, and came out a member and got baptized last year.

My idea of God is still a little bit different. There is something big out there, but I'm not sure exactly what I believe yet. I do think that it's legitimate for someone to say God spoke to them, although I don't necessarily think it means they heard a voice or had an actual out loud conversation with God. Part of what I think God is is love and hope. So, as a non-believer, when someone said something like that to me, I'd view it more as them giving me positive energy and trying to help me to heal myself and become whole/happy in whatever way I could. I wouldn't think they were crazy, something just made them feel that there's a force in the world that wants you to be healed. Maybe that force is just the love and support of your friends and family.

I think that if you are truly curious about what your friend meant, and if you feel like you are open to hearing what she has to say, you should just ask her! If she's a true friend and a true Christian, she will be able to handle your lack of faith/skepticism and talk to you openly about what she meant and what it felt like for her. My best friend is Christian, and stood by me for five years while I was a complete nonbeliever. She listened to my arguments about why I didn't believe, she let me ask questions, and when she told me that she would pray for me, I took that as a compliment, and as her caring about me.

I guess that's my two cents... I hope that we have somehow helped with all of these comments!

Posted by: Rachael at May 31, 2008 11:23 PM

Your friend is stupid. This has been a closed minded comment by your local Black Hockey Jesus.

Posted by: Black Hockey Jesus at May 31, 2008 11:28 PM

I believe your friend believes it but I don't believe it really happened. I don't really believe in God either but I echo what a lot of other people say - if he wanted to tell you he wanted to heal you, why not just tell you? Or better yet, why not just go ahead and heal you? Who's stopping him? If your non-belief is stopping him, then what better way to make you believe than to just go ahead and do it or speak to you or whatever?

I find arguments for "proof" that there is a God very facile and insulting generally so I won't try to argue the opposite but I'm sure your friend believes what she said and only wants the best for you, and so maybe you can at least feel good about that.

Posted by: Jenn at June 1, 2008 12:00 AM

I think that what you think is more important then what we think.

I am a truster of persons whom I call friend. They got that label for a reason.

Posted by: Jamie at June 1, 2008 5:43 AM

Y- Perhaps the reason God spoke to your friend is because He knew you would more readily listen to her. I beileve God gives you what you need when you need it, maybe this is a gentle nudge to reconsider your faith. You were moved to think about this and ask about it for a reason. Who are we to judge if your friend thinks that God spoke to her on your behalf? The effect is the same, your are thinking about it and considering the possibiity.

Posted by: Heather at June 1, 2008 7:04 AM

I am such a waffler on this issue. I was raised in a perfectly nice church with perfectly nice people and I consider myself a decent person. But I have such a hard time with the blind open faith that other people have. I just don't know how they do it.

In my mind, I think that if your friend wants to help you out and I would take it for that.

Posted by: Stephanie at June 1, 2008 7:42 AM

Prayer can be pretty powerful stuff and believing that god will heal you will surely not make you feel any worse but riding your doctors like a birthday party pony until they figure out what's going on is probably your best bet.

Posted by: The Other Laura at June 1, 2008 8:05 AM

I am not a person who believes in God. However I do believe that "God" lives in the minds of people. If your friend says God told her he wants to heal you, I think it means that she loves you very much and wants badly to help you. And that is a wonderful thing. Just my $.02.

Posted by: Stimey at June 1, 2008 8:57 AM

If you promise not to laugh..... Almost 8 years ago,I had lost my cat to old age and was thinking about adopting two black kittens. I was driving home, and clearly "heard" a voice in my head telling me that "my" cat was orange, a boy, and not born yet. I was told to wait until my vacation was over in July , and then to look for him. It was very strange. But I listened and my kitten found me after my vacation. And I have had him for 8 years. If you can have a connection with a cat, that's what I have. So, I think it may have been God. And I am not a religious person, but I am a believer in God. Does that make sense? I think he can guide us into good decisions, and speaks to us. It never hurts to listen, as long as it doesn't cost money!!

Posted by: Laura in Michigan at June 1, 2008 9:20 AM

I think the person who believes that God spoke to them about you is very arrogant. This is the reason I don't go to church because it is filled with people who believe they are God's chosen people and above all others.

I do believe that God speaks to people and that we all have an inner voice that guides us and makes us feel bad when we are on the wrong path. But, we also have inner voices that come from our childhood and tell us we are fat, ugly and not worthy so be careful which voice you listen to.

Posted by: Marsha at June 1, 2008 11:59 AM

When I was pregnant with our second child we found out that he had a serious heart defect that would eventually likely kill him.

I was devastated. How are you supposed to watch your only son die?

Then one day, about three weeks before he was born, I was at a March for Jesus rally in downtown Toronto. A woman I didn't know asked me about the baby, and I spilled everything. She looked at me and said, "God has told me this baby will be healed." And she prayed on the spot. And she said to me, "If you have faith he will be."

I think that is a very mean thing to do. I've written books about this since, and I speak at women's conferences about it.

But here's the thing: I did have faith that God could heal Christopher. But did I have faith even if God didn't? That's the more relevant question. And this woman, who did not know me and who would never see me again, could feel great about herself because she pronounced healing on me, though she bears no responsibility should my son not be healed.

And she so much as told me that if he weren't healed it would be my fault.

I don't think God works that way. God does heal, but it's rare. On the whole we have to walk through difficulties, but Jesus did, too. Suffering is not something He is indifferent to, or unfamiliar with. He watched his own earthly father die. He watched John the Baptist die. He saw people he loved die.

That's because the earth is messed up. So yes, we need faith that God can heal. But we also need faith even if he doesn't. And that, I think, is ultimately more important.

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Posted by: Sheila Gregoire at June 1, 2008 1:18 PM

Personally, I would treat such a claim with a lot of skepticism - maybe that comes from being a pastor's kid where my father never really demonstrated he, himself, was a Christian let alone someone who believed in faith healing.

Posted by: dj at June 1, 2008 3:48 PM

Yes, I do believe God talks to people and can use people to heal others. I don't think I'd laugh at that person, but I would ask God what he wanted me to hear. God keeps calling people back to Him and will try different methods until He gets you to listen. Listen to your own heart...is He speaking to you...do you keep feeling a tug to maybe change what you're doing or what you believe....Maybe He is using this person as a way to open your mind to the possibility. I don't have the answers, but I do believe God speaks to us in whispers. Keep listening....

Posted by: Tracey at June 1, 2008 4:25 PM

If someone told you that God spoke to them about you, would you believe it? Or would you laugh at them? Do you believe God truly speaks to people?

1 - depends on who it is.
2 - see 1.
3 -yes. yes I do.

I don't know if it's audible to some (not ever to me), obvious (again, not to me), etc. But I do believe that He speaks to us. And that He greatly desires us to hear Him.

Posted by: Sherry at June 1, 2008 4:34 PM

Short answer: Yes
Long answer: Yessssss
Third answer: Why not?

And fourthly, I love the fellow commenters here. It's pretty cool how much they care :)

I hope you're doing well...or well-er.

Posted by: The Over-Thinker at June 1, 2008 5:57 PM

Yes, I believe God does talk to people. I think it was a brave and loving thing for her to tell you that, given your difficulty with belief.
If nothing else, you know that she cares and wants you to feel better. She's got a lot of company in that.

Posted by: Kira at June 1, 2008 8:54 PM

I wouldn't believe it, but I wouldn't laugh at the person. I would believe, and respect, that s/he believes it. S/he believes it because they care.

Posted by: Maria at June 2, 2008 1:07 AM

When you were young, didn't you believe in God? having as strong of a religious upbringing as you did, I imagine you've read the bible (many times) and know what God wants from and for us. Don't let your parents behavior end your relationship with Him. Maybe now that you're all grown up and foxay you should take a second look and develope an opinion based on your own interpretation of the Bible instead of the faith that your parents hold. God does love you and want to help you and I shall be praying for you!

Posted by: Casie at June 2, 2008 10:41 AM

I know God uses people to get a message through. I would consider it an honor if God talked to a friend of mine with a message. I pray that you can get ahold of God and that He does heal you because He loves you so much.

Posted by: Leah at June 2, 2008 11:15 AM

I do believe God speaks to people--both those who believe in him and those who do not. We must choose to listen, and sometimes even those who say they believe in him don't listen.

God has been nudging you. All these thoughts and doubts you've been having--he loves you and he wants you to just love him, too. I know you're struggling with unbelief, and that's okay--we ALL do. But I don't think it would hurt anything, nor would it be "crazy", to just say, "God, I'm listening," and see what he has to say.

The commenter Sheila, just above, had a wonderful point about healing. Just because we have faith doesn't mean we'll be healed or have money or a happy marriage. Life can be hard, because we live in an imperfect world and crap happens to all of us. But having faith is about believing that God loves us ALWAYS, no matter who we are or what we do, and that he'll give us the strength and peace to face even the worst situations. And that if we love him and try our best to follow him, we'll have a better, eternal life with him someday.

Posted by: Lar at June 2, 2008 11:38 AM

I like believing in both God and the people who talk to him. It's so much more enjoyable than not!

Posted by: pamajama at June 2, 2008 5:37 PM

I absolutely would believe someone trustworthy if they told me that. I saw that someone else commented that why wouldn't He just tell YOU, and that He can make you listen if He wants....but I think we have free will, and I don't think He would MAKE you listen in the way your commenter meant it. I think He could be causing you to listen via your friend. I think it's very important to listen to what she has to say right now.

Posted by: Chas at June 2, 2008 5:54 PM

You know, the more I hear about this God person the less I like Him. He seems to be the nosy, gossipy sort.

Okay but seriously. I was raised Methodist (I'm fairly sure) but I almost never went to church. When I did, I had absolutely no clue what was going on. As I grew, I lost a lot of appreciation for all the religious stuff in my life. At age 12 I embarked on a misguided and ultimately underwhelming 4 year stint as a Wiccan. I got sick of the drama, and since then I've become Theological Switzerland.

I'm happy with my (lack of) faith, and the fact that it allows me to appreciate and enjoy the best facets of several different religions at my leisure, but it's soured me toward Christianity and I'm not sure how I feel about that. Now, whenever I hear or read someone's devotion to God and all that, I sort of...pity them.

It's the same with other religions, but it's the worst with Christianity. I get this sense like, "Oh you poor thing, you really are delusional, aren't you?" And I don't really like feeling like that. I've found myself in this intensely logical state of mind where the instant I hear a declaration of faith, my mind races to all the locial, statistical and anthropolical reasons to think it's complete BS.

So no. I wouldn't believe God talked to someone about me. Or anything. I'd ask them to seek professional help as I back away slowly. Very. Slowly. I'm incapable of seeing why the Christian God is more True than the Shinto Kami, the Hindu Gods, the Lakota Spirits or the Muslim Allah.

Sure it frees me up to feel elitist and superior, but in all honesty it's actually a very empty existance. Which is probably why in my writing I often create cultures with a rich religious heritage, to sort of appease my God-less soul.

Though, I am getting sort of tight with Buddah and spending some quality time with Ganesh. ^.^

Posted by: Danielle at June 2, 2008 10:22 PM

I remember sitting in an emergency room while miscarrying my second pregnancy when suddenly a woman came up to me, opened my hands and draped a pink rosary between my fingers. Holding my hands in hers, she looked me right in the eye and told me that one day I would have many many children, and then folded my hands around her prayer beads and left.

At first I was appalled that she pushed her religion on me during such a vulnerable and fragility moment in my life. I am not religious. I used to be. I was born and raised Roman Catholic, but as I grew older, the idea of being bound to the teachings of one particular religion just didn’t sit right with me, so now I would say I am much more of a spiritual person.

Anyhow, while I sat there miscarrying my baby with a rosary in my hand, I pondered what, exactly, spirituality really meant to me, and that’s when I realized that my definition of spirituality is one that is constantly changing and evolving as I grow and change with various life experiences. For me it’s a personal journey that I am able to mold, analyze, reshape, define and follow in a way that feeds my soul with the things that fulfill me most. And then it hit me that religion and spirituality are essentially the same thing, and that is the underlying fundamental human desire and need for hope. Hope that tomorrow is better than today.

So yeah, that was a really long winded way to that people are innately inclined to seek hope, which comes in many ways, shapes and forms that makes the most sense to them. Including in the form of an ever-evolving, soul-feeding journey of spiritual growth or in the form of God that speaks to them.

Posted by: Karla at June 3, 2008 7:10 AM

great post... i wanted to comment here with something insightful and witty, but, i got nothin. reading the comments here was very interesting. you have a varied group of readers with thoughts across the whole spectrum. how cool is that?

if i offer anything, i'll just say this... IMHO, we are all children of God with a spark of divinity within. if God and I are one, then God should be able to speak to me (and you and everyone else). sometimes it might be the booming voice from the clouds a la Joan of Arc, but i think it's mostly the still small voice that comes through in subtle moments and dreams.

who's to say the God didn't speak to your friend about you? perhaps that's just another way that God gets through. either way, whether it's God or it's your friend, you should certainly be assured that you are loved.

and that's a beautiful thing!

i love your blog... thanks so much for giving us so much of you. we're lucky for it!

Posted by: Dee at June 3, 2008 7:39 AM

Yes, dependent on the person. If it's someone you wouldn't expect, someone who doesn't routinely say these things or holds themselves above everyone else in their faith, I would believe them.

Then again, I think it takes more courage to believe than not to as long as you are not using faith as a crutch. You put yourself out there with the possibility of being let down.

Posted by: Spirophita at June 3, 2008 9:06 AM

I'm a non-believer, so I wouldn't think a god spoke to her, but I would be complimented that I am in this person's thoughts and I would be happy that she wished me well. (Okay, a bit of me would be like, uh, yah, really? You really think God spoke to you, about me?" But I'd keep those thoughts to myself-oh, and my blog...)

Posted by: Jennifer at June 3, 2008 12:16 PM

i am a believer and i do believe that God talks to people on behalf of other people. He finds ways to reach us, whether He can reach us when we pray, or in your case, moves through someone we know, like when your dad randomly showed up and prayed with you and again with your friend. because He knows about your wavering faith and may doubt the authenticity of a message, He uses others to get you to hear His words.

it is God's will that we are healed and i honestly do believe that He wants to heal you. it says a lot that even though you're no longer active in church and sometimes question your own faith, He still loves you enough to want to heal you.

i've had people from my church come to me and share a comforting word when i've been tossing around some things in my head. while i never outwardly show when i'm going through things, it says a lot that what they say God has told them to tell me hits me in just the right spot.

but you know, whether you honestly believe or not, it never hurts to have someone praying on your behalf, or even want to pray for you. you're very blessed to have such loving and caring people in your life.

Posted by: talda at June 3, 2008 8:47 PM

i forgot to mention that i don't believe every tom, dick and sherry when they tell me that God spoke to them. if the person speaking is not known to me, i pray about it before accepting anything. but if they are known to me and i know their prayer life, then i am more comfortable accepting their word. my pastor always tells us to make sure you know the people speaking over you and to know the message. there are telltale signs to tell the difference between the word of God and some gibberish. i won't clog your comments with it but i'd be happy to share if you're at all interested.

Posted by: talda at June 3, 2008 8:52 PM

Y, I read your blog a alot and send lots of prayers up for you as you continue through your battles.

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Posted by: LivinNSoCal at June 4, 2008 1:45 AM

I wasn't going to bother commenting as you already have a schwack of comments, but this post got to me.

You see, doll, I lost my faith. The moment I walked out of that hospital with out my child, just clutching a kleenex in one hand and plastic bag in the other.

I want to believe. I want to have strong faith, but I find it hard. Crushing, really.

But I have been on the end of a lot of those type of comments, where people I know tell me God has spoken to them and it's been about me.

I just want to know why God has never spoken to me. Why he abandoned me.

And if he wants me to heal, where the heck is he now, when I'm so desperate for reassurance.

So I take it with a grain of salt. I nod my head and say thanks, and hope maybe it's true, but still not really believing.

Sigh.

Faith is hard, friend.

Posted by: Redneck Mommy at June 5, 2008 10:26 AM

I would NEVER laugh at anyones faith or words about God.
I do beleive therefore, anything is possible.

Posted by: oceanbug at June 5, 2008 1:27 PM

I wouldn't laugh at all, but I have a great deal of faith. And more importantly I have a relationship with Christ that grows stronger all the time.

Years ago, I would've laughed. But now, God even speaks to me, through the Bible, through devotionals, through other Christians. He loves us and wants to have a relationship with us.

But yea, it's a bit overwhelming.

Posted by: Stefanie at June 6, 2008 2:09 PM

Still can't believe it when people get comments in the hundreds...wow. Found you on Twitter from Sarcastic mom and just wanted to check your site out, but while I'm here I might as well comment, right?

There have been many times that a friend out of the blue will call or email when I am at the end of my rope and I know they have been prompted by something to do so. Sometimes they even say that they have. I think that God uses every tool he can to make us feel loved and maybe sometimes it's sending people into our lives. Just my two cents. Like your blog btw.

Posted by: kspin at June 7, 2008 10:05 PM

Hey there. God is every where all at once. So, he can help the people in China and you too all at the same time. If God has spoken to someone about you, he will send you some sort of confirmation to know that it was truly him. Example: A lady at my church shared with me a vision that God showed her for my family. I am very skeptical about these things. I brushed her off until she quoted a scripture that God wanted her to share with me to let me know everything would be okay. Well the scripture she quoted just happened to be the exact same scripture that a friend of mine, in a totally different state, EMAILED me the week before. Now the Bible is big and there are thousands of scriptures in it. But for two different people, in two different state who don't know each other, and the lady at church didn't know me either, she just came up to me and shared what God had showed her, is not a coincident but a "God-incident." God bless you....in all your ways acknowledge Him and He will lead your path. God bless you!

Posted by: Kenyatta at June 9, 2008 10:03 AM

Wow, lot of comments out there, maybe you won't even read this one but oh well. I don't know your friend or if God spoke to her at all. But God can. I guess the real question is: are you at a point in your life where you think you need help? God will not change us, unless we want Him to. It comes down to a choice that we have to make. A simple choice of Yes or No. If we search for Him we will find Him. I'm not saying that He will suddenly appear and start doing laundry and other task around the house for us, but what I am saying is this: God is real whether we choose to believe or not. And He is a spirit. Just because you can't see something with your eyes physically does not mean it does not exsist. Anyway. God did something great for all of us back in the day. Its up to us if we want a part of it. Spend some time checking things out for yourself. I doubt you will be dissapointed in what you find.

Posted by: jakob at June 10, 2008 1:02 AM

Is mit possible that maybe God was trying to get your attention by speaking to someone else about you? You stated in your blog that you dont have the faith. If you had heard for yourself that God,
(who you dont have the faith to believe in a miracle from) wanted to heal you, you would have just laughed it off & prolly say "where the heck that come from". But because He spoke to someone else, who stepped out & spoke to you about it, now it has you on a path to at least questioning who God really wants to be in your life. A part of who God is, is a healer. Jesus healed MANY & told his disciples that they would do even greater exploits than he did. That means, not only can we tell someone that God wants to heal them, but we can lay hands on them & see them healed.

the real thing I think God wants you to see is this... 1: someone was praying for you... that means they love you.
2. God responded with His heart for you. HE loves you.
3. there is healing for you.

just a few thoughts.....

Posted by: SARAH at June 10, 2008 8:57 AM

Take it in context. Who is the person? What is the message?

I do believe God speaks through people. Sometimes I wish I heard Him more often through them, but we're so afraid of looking like idiots we don't speak when He prompts.

Posted by: Jane at June 10, 2008 9:48 PM

Yes. Yes. and Yes.

There have been plenty of times when I have been prompted by the Holy Spirit to pray for someone. God is amazing... He can work miracles... and He IS real.

I know what you non-beleivers are thinking, "Oh, another Jesus Freak".. but let first assure you, I only have this amazing relationship with God *because* I reached out to "the unknown" at a very, very rough time in my life. I grew up being taught "Beleive what you want..." my parents don't beleive, and I never went to church as a child, but I always knew "there was a God".. I just didn't understand what it all meant. The night that I reached out to God, out of pure faith- my hands were held [the presence of the Holy Spirit] and the most amazing warmth of peach and comfort came over me. I went from bawling my eyes out of pure depression.... to feeling so much peace and comfort. That day changed my life.....

I have seen some amazing things in Church, I have expierenced amazing (and not so amazing) things since finding God. I've met 3 people, 2 of which are very close to me who have died and gone to Heaven, to be sent back here to share their testimonies. I know that it sounds weird to those who have never expeirenced the amazing gift of love from God, because trust me- before I "knew" him per se, I thought the same thing. The "unknown" to some poeple is just that... but when you open your heart to Him, you will find the most amazing love and comfort that you have ever felt. It saddens me when people are "on the fence" if they beleive or they don't beleive..... my thoughts are this: If you haven't reached out to Him.. with an open mind and an open heart.. out of pure faith-- how do you know what's on the other side? Why would one go through life always wondering, when all they have to do is reach out and ask Him into their life? The most important thing is finding a church that fits with YOU. There are *so* [so] many churches out there... there's one in every flavor. So, if you've been burnt by one church or another church has left a bad taste in your mouth.... go to another one.. and another one, until you find the perfect fit for you. I go to an Assemby of God church- The Pastor is lead by the Holy Spirit and it's such an amazing church. However, prior to that... I went to a Dicipiles of Christ which is very uniformed... very "by the books" and was just very [blah..boring]. It just showed me that not all churches are created equal.

Most importantly... as long as you have God in your heart... read His word... pray [just talk to him... like you would a friend. Ask for the presence of the Holy Spirit before you pray]... and just see what happens.

Sorry to ramble.... but God has changed me SO much in my life... He makes you want to be better - not perfect by any stretch of the measure- but BETTER. I just pray that you DO listen to your friend and reach out to Him for peace, comfort, and to start to rebuild your faith. I mean really, what do you have to lose?

So... long winded answer: YES.. I beleive that God can speak to people... and I honestly beleive that if your friend, knowing where you are in your faith right now, stepped up and told you what she had told you..... that that says a lot right there. When God speaks to someone, you listen. I hope you listen and I hope you have the faith to reach out.

((sorry this was so long))....
Chrystal

Posted by: chrystal at June 10, 2008 10:37 PM

[man, as if my post above wasn't long enough] :)

To answer the question of "If God wants to tell you something, why does he go through your friend, and not just tell you".... is pretty simple. [I know you didn't ask it, but another poster did]. If you don't TALK to God, or have God in your heart... how do you expect God to reach out to you? We have free will... free will to turn TOWARDS God, or free will to turn AGAINST Him. God will use any tool He can to reach out to someone, this is why it's so important if you DO pray and you DO have a relationship with God to LISTEN and to react to the message that He may have sent you. In this case, your friend. She is a beleiver. And what a better way to reach out to you then to go through one of his sources (your friend).

I can't tell you how many times during prayer, I will be praying [just talking away].. where someone who I haven't even been thinking about will start to weigh heavy on my heart. I will start to pray for that person and certain things about them, or their health, will start coming out of my mouth in prayer. This is the gift of the Holy Spirit.... and it's an amazing, amazing thing! So many people leave the Holy Spirit out of prayer, when He is simply "the messenger" to God.. He's there to comfort us and guide us. He [The Holy Spirit] is Jesus' gift to us... for comfort.

So.. I hope that makes sense and answers that question or thought of 'If God wanted to tell you, He would tell you Himself"... not true when you don't pray, or you haven't opened your heart up to Him.

So, my challenge (and hope) to you, is that you consider to reach out to Him... I mean hey, you must be pretty darn special if God is trying to get ahold of ya! :)

((okay, I'll shutup now... lucky you!)) :)

Posted by: chrystal at June 10, 2008 10:50 PM

Who knows, maybe he did. And.....what if this is how God is trying to reach you.

Lastly would it hurt you to let her try?

Posted by: Michele at June 10, 2008 11:48 PM

If someone told me that... I'd believe her or him. I'm just not sure if I'd believe the healing part and I think 1/2 of the actually healing is in the believing.

But seriously, would it hurt to let her try? Assuming she isn't going to ask you to run around naked or deal with sacrificing animals... I say try it.
-d

Posted by: -d at June 12, 2008 12:06 PM

shall begin by assuming that the issue of God's existence is settled. We all believe that there is a God. As those who desire to know the truth, we must go one step further to find out what kind of God He is. God is the greatest Unknown. We must spend some time to find out about this unknown One. The next step now is to know what kind of a God He is. In the past few thousand years man has been inquiring about the nature of God. Is He kind or is He righteous? Is He indifferent towards us, or is He extremely interested in human affairs? These types of questions are the direct cause of all human religions. What is religion? Religion is man's inquiry about God and his explanation of Him. Through these explanations, different men have arrived at different concepts about God. What kind of God is He? This is a big question. It is also a very serious question. We have all given our thought to this subject at one time or another. The question might even have occurred to our little mind when we were five years old. All men, educated or ignorant, have been intrigued by this question. It comes naturally after some contemplation and observation. But a person trying to speculate about God is like an ant attempting to understand a human being. It is extremely difficult for the little creature to try to realize our life, nature, and mind. In the same way it is impossible for us to try to comprehend God. For this reason, in the past few thousand years, all kinds of people, theologians and philosophers alike, have done much thinking about Him. What has God been doing all this time? Has He been indifferent to us or has He tried to reveal Himself to us? What is God's attitude? Do you think He would say, "I am God and have nothing to do with human beings. I do not care what you think about me. I shall stay in heaven as God. Let the mortals be ignorant!" Or do you think He has a desire to reveal Himself to man and visit him? When I was in India, I saw some people lying naked on beds studded with nails. Some walked with bare feet on burning coals. These people devoted a great deal of energy to seeking after God. What has God done to them? Did He hide Himself and take no notice of them at all? Has He not kept Himself as a perpetual mystery? This is a great question. We have to consider it scientifically and objectively in order to find out what God is like. A few years ago I spoke on a similar subject to some medical students in an auditorium in Cheloo University. I said that man is an organism with a life. God also is a life. Man's life is higher than that of the lower animals, and God's life is even higher than that of man. I asked the students, "Since we realize that all living organisms have some common laws and express some common traits, can you name them?" Different ones then started to bring up different points. At the end we summed up the discussion in this way: all living organisms contain two common characteristics. You can call these characteristics their common expressions or their common laws. First, every life wants to preserve itself. It tends to reproduce itself. There is the ability to produce posterity, to continue its own life. Second, every life wants to have fellowship with other lives. It cannot stand being by itself. When a man cannot find fellowship with another human being, he goes to dogs, cats, fish, or birds and makes friends with animals. All living creatures desire fellowship. Based on these two characteristics of life, namely, the preservation of itself and fellowship with others, laws of human government are instituted. For example, the death penalty reflects a convict's desire to preserve his own life; punishment comes in the form of taking away and terminating such a life. This is the way to inflict suffering on a life. Imprisonment, as a less serious punishment, cuts him off from having fellowship with others. This reversal of the life principle becomes then a suffering for him. From this we see that punishment is applied according to the principles of life. With these two chief characteristics in mind, let us turn to the life of God. God is an organism of a higher order than human beings. He is naturally governed by this law of life. We can know God by the characteristics and distinctive features of His life. From this we can deduce whether or not God wants to have fellowship with man. There are two kinds of religion: religion based on natural concepts and religion based on revelation. Natural religion starts with man as the center. He is the one that is seeking after God and studying about Him. What then is revelational religion? Revelational religion comes directly from God. He is the One who comes to reveal things to us. Man's thoughts are often useless fancies. God's revelation alone is trustworthy. Christianity is different from all other natural religions in that it is a religion that comes from revelation. Christianity begins from God. It is God who comes to seek out man, rather than man who seeks after God. I will not try to persuade you to believe in Christianity or to read the Bible. I will only make a few suppositions. We will treat the subject in the same way as if we were solving a problem in geometry. We will start from the suppositions and then deduce our arguments step by step. We will examine our reasoning’s to see if they are sound and if our conclusions are logical. As in mathematics, with some problems we work forwards, while with others we work backwards. At any rate, in the end we should be able to tell whether or not a supposition is justified. We have to make a few suppositions. The first one is that God exists. This in fact has been covered by us already. We have agreed that there is a God. He is a Being who has a purpose. Second, we assume that God has a desire to reveal Himself to man. If God wants to reveal Himself to man and if He wants us to know Him, how does He do it? In what manner can He be made known to us? If He speaks to us through thunder or writes to us through lightning, we will not be able to comprehend His message. How then does God make Himself known to us? If He is to reveal Himself and if He wants us to know Him, He necessarily must do it through human means. What then are the common ways that men communicate with one another? First, they do it through speaking and second through writing. All means of communication, whether telegraph, telephone, sign, or symbols, are all included in these two categories. If God is to manifest Himself, these are the only two means for Him to do so. For the present we set aside the aspect of speaking; we will see how God communicates with us through writing. If God reveals Himself through writing, of all the volumes written by different people throughout the centuries, there must be one book which is divinely inspired. This is a very crucial test. If such a book exists, it proves not only the existence of God, but it contains His written revelation to us as well. Is there then such a divinely written book? In the search for such a book, let us first mention a few basic principles. Suppose I want to order a book from a publisher. If I can tell him the name and author of the book, there will be no trouble getting it. If, however, I forget the name and author of the book, I can describe the characteristics of it to the publisher, such as the contents, size, color, binding, etc. The publisher will then search through all his books and locates the volume I want. God has one book in this universe. How do we find it? We have to know its characteristics first. If there is any book that has been written by God, it must meet certain conditions or have certain qualifications before one can say that it is from God. Let me put forth a few propositions. If there is a book written by God, it must first of all mention God. It must tell you that it is from God and that its author is God. This is the first qualification. Second, it must carry a moral tone that is higher than what we commonly know. If it is a fabrication, it can at the most be on the same level as man. Third, if there is such a divine book, it must tell us about the past and the future of this world. Only God knows clearly what occurred in the past and what will happen in the future. Only by telling us these matters will we know Him as God. Fourth, this book must be simple and available so that all may be able to secure and understand it. If there were only one such book in the world, then only a very few people would be able to see it. It would not pass the test unless it is a book accessible to everyone. In the United States there is a group of people who claim to have a book from God. It is engraved in gold and contains only twelve pages. Such a book then would not be accessible to the Chinese. God would never write to us a book at which we could not look. Now the matter is simplified. Let us repeat these four conditions once more.
(1) If such a book exists, it must tell us explicitly that its author is God.
(2) It must carry a high tone of morality.
(3) It must give a detailed description of the past and the future of the universe.
(4) It must be available.
Let us pick out some of the more important writings throughout human civilization and check them against these qualifications to see if any meets our requirements. We will start from books that are generally considered to be good. Let us take the Chinese classics of Confucius. They are immediately disqualified under the first requirement, for none of them claims to be written by God. They do have a high tone of morality, but they fail to give the origin and destiny of the world, the universe, and man. This does not mean that they are worthless books; it means that they do not contain the qualifications we w